Comments on: Safety 2 Detroit? Think again…

By: detfan1979

detfan1979 — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:10:54 +0000

A backfield with a healthy Bullocks, Delmas, Simpson and a 3rd rounder like Myron Rolle would look much better if you had a Dline with Sammie Hill and Gerald McCoy in the middle, and a DE rotation of White, Avril, Hunter, and Brandon Graham. That is a distinct possibility if the cards fall right. The Lions can make a weak defensive backfield solid by adding a player or two from the mid rounds (due to depth at S especially) and getting the top pass rushers in the first and second rounds. There is still a long time to go before the draft, but depth of position and who is available is an issue — and trade back is almost ALWAYS on the table. Trade up — not so much.

By: David M

David M — Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:27:39 +0000

Im glad you made this point about value and its relation to depth at the position.
This draft most certainly is knee deep in quality safeties. In fact, I would think a player like Myron Rolle would be a great pick up after round 2.
You have to ask yourself, which scenario sounds better to the Lions:
-picking a guy like Gerald McCoy in round 1, and getting a Myron Rolle in round 3, or…

-selecting Eric Berry first, and trying for someone like Geno Atkins from Georgia in round 3-4.

We need to generate a pass rush. If we can’t pressure opposing QB’s, it won’t matter if we have Charles Woodson roaming the defensive backfield.

Mike Mayock said it himself, that the top two DT’s are head and shoulders above any other players in the draft.

And one final note, I really like Delmas as an instinctive player and as a leader for our defense. Berry offers similar qualities, which may overlap with Delmas’s. This could diminish his value in the eyes of Mayhew and Schwartz.

By: DetFan1979

DetFan1979 — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:45:23 +0000

I don’t think the Lions are locked in on DT as the bigger need. Keep in mind what they will lock in on is combination of best talent and attributes (mental and physical) and take that person. Unlike the solid scheme coaches Detroit has had in the recent past, this front office is all about getting talent, and using it. No square pegs in round holes.

As doran OG/C that is young – that is yet another reason I want them to pursue Eugene Amano as their #1 free agent. Not only is he a proven LG, but he is also a converted Center. Talk about value! This would allow them to take a developmental tackle in the later rounds, and also an OG/C later on that can back up both Peterman (who has had some injury trouble) and Raiola.

Remember: FA is to fill need. For Martin Mayhew, the draft is all about themost talented players at a position of any need. With the dearth of depth and quality starters intje Lions, don’t look for this to change any time soon

By: Clusterfox

Clusterfox — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:20:31 +0000

“you don’t draft someone in the top 5 with the plan to change his position.”

Not that I’m disagreeing with the thought its just that it looks funny when you follow it up with.

“Thus if I was picking, I would target the best ranked OT (so long as one is worthy of a top 5 pick [Okung is there is most mocks at the momment]). Start him at G”

As a former lineman, I do believe its silly that everyone assumes that all OTs can play guard then we will just move him out to tackle when we need to. I think the lions need a Young talented Guard via FA or the draft(one that could play center maybe)and a Tackle to develop from the draft. that is atleast 2 oline, one interior one tackle.

Clusterfox

By: British Lion

British Lion — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:35:41 +0000

I totally agree about not taking a Safety at the top of the draft. We already have a player at the position, and the draft is literally loaded with safeties.

Also to anyone who replies the maybe Berry can play CB too, you don’t draft someone in the top 5 with the plan to change his position. Playing CB and Safety are too disimilar. He might make a good CB but he is in the top 5 as a safety.

However, everything I read also says the draft is deep in DT players. Couple this with the type of DT Cunning-Shwartz is looking for (run stuffing two gapper), these bigger guys with who score lower on the blockbuster measurables tend to be found lower down in drafts. There are defnately a bunch of bigger DT in the second tier.

There currently is not a DE or CB rated as high as the second pick, which are two areas of high need where the talent level will matter maybe more. (Ie I think it would be better to get the best DE or CB and the 3/4th best DT as opposed to the other way around.)

Which leaves only one other position of real value OT.

Now I have seen alot of positive reports on the Lions line, essentially saying that if everyone stays fit and we find a LG we could be set. LG should be addressable in FA so go Line later on in the draft.

But all these articles also acknowledge the age of Riola and Backus. We need more youth on that line.

Thus if I was picking, I would target the best ranked OT (so long as one is worthy of a top 5 pick [Okung is there is most mocks at the momment]). Start him at G and move him out later, or if he beats out backus all the better. Then you have two young book end tackles who if they don’t pan out might be moveable inside.

I just don’t think we need a safety at number 2 and i don’t think Suh or McCoy fit the profile of a Cunning-Schwartz DT. No DEs or CBs crept up that high yet, OT IS a need and there is currently an OT up that high…

This will all change as stocks rise and fall (alot…) but I think OT is a much of a need/value as DE and CB at number 2 and more than DT or Safety