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		<title>By: Assessing the Lions Current Free Agents &#124; Church of Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://roarofthelions.com/2010/01/12/wanted-lions-free-agents/#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>Assessing the Lions Current Free Agents &#124; Church of Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] months away, I think there is only one place to begin: assess our current free agents. DF79 did a hell of a job in his recently posted article, so I thought I would piggy-back on that and add my thoughts in this space about who should be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] months away, I think there is only one place to begin: assess our current free agents. DF79 did a hell of a job in his recently posted article, so I thought I would piggy-back on that and add my thoughts in this space about who should be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Clusterfox</title>
		<link>http://roarofthelions.com/2010/01/12/wanted-lions-free-agents/#comment-303</link>
		<dc:creator>Clusterfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I had to add this when I saw this Quote by Schwartz in TSN. &quot;There aren&#039;t many positions on this team that we can just sit back and say,&#039;Hey, we&#039;re good the way way we are.&#039;&quot;

I remember this quote from the year end presser that was held.  I don&#039;t remember the follow up cause it was hard to hear the questions.  But Schwartz was pressed on this subject later in the press conference, and He admitted that he like where we were at Free Safety(Delmas).  I think calling Delmas a Free Safety with the way he played and the run support he provided, I think he was being very carful to leave open the position of Strong Safety(E.Berry?).

Remember Day one, Schwartz explained that in his defense he likes flexibility everything is right and left not strong and weak.(Interchangability) Wow is that a word.  Anyways I say BPA worked great last year lets do it again.

Clusterfox</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I had to add this when I saw this Quote by Schwartz in TSN. &#8220;There aren&#8217;t many positions on this team that we can just sit back and say,&#8217;Hey, we&#8217;re good the way way we are.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>I remember this quote from the year end presser that was held.  I don&#8217;t remember the follow up cause it was hard to hear the questions.  But Schwartz was pressed on this subject later in the press conference, and He admitted that he like where we were at Free Safety(Delmas).  I think calling Delmas a Free Safety with the way he played and the run support he provided, I think he was being very carful to leave open the position of Strong Safety(E.Berry?).</p>
<p>Remember Day one, Schwartz explained that in his defense he likes flexibility everything is right and left not strong and weak.(Interchangability) Wow is that a word.  Anyways I say BPA worked great last year lets do it again.</p>
<p>Clusterfox</p>
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		<title>By: Clusterfox</title>
		<link>http://roarofthelions.com/2010/01/12/wanted-lions-free-agents/#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>Clusterfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On that same note. I was thinking we might pass on Suh(trade the Pick) or Mccoy if Suh is gone.  Because its been stated by Kowalski that Sammie Lee was a great draft, but may never develop to the elite run stopper level.  One of the Big boys like T.Cody or Dan Williams could/should be a vailable with the 2nd rd pick.  

So here&#039;s the question for all you guys out there smarter than me.  We know we need DL help, but is it specifically DT or could we be looking for another runstuffer/NT type for short yardage and 1st down.  This would allow us more flexibility with 2 natural big boys and 2 undersize DT with Fluellen, and Cohen(all Young)  or do we take Suh or Mccoy and Still have a gaping hole with Grady Jackson advancing in age?  I personally like the CB/DE with the first pick and then NT type or oline with 2nd pick. Assuming the people in those areas grade out.

Apologies to DF for contining to slant the comments towards draft, when your trying to discuss FA.  Its just that we know who is in the draft and have little or no clue as to who will be a target for FA.


Clusterfox</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On that same note. I was thinking we might pass on Suh(trade the Pick) or Mccoy if Suh is gone.  Because its been stated by Kowalski that Sammie Lee was a great draft, but may never develop to the elite run stopper level.  One of the Big boys like T.Cody or Dan Williams could/should be a vailable with the 2nd rd pick.  </p>
<p>So here&#8217;s the question for all you guys out there smarter than me.  We know we need DL help, but is it specifically DT or could we be looking for another runstuffer/NT type for short yardage and 1st down.  This would allow us more flexibility with 2 natural big boys and 2 undersize DT with Fluellen, and Cohen(all Young)  or do we take Suh or Mccoy and Still have a gaping hole with Grady Jackson advancing in age?  I personally like the CB/DE with the first pick and then NT type or oline with 2nd pick. Assuming the people in those areas grade out.</p>
<p>Apologies to DF for contining to slant the comments towards draft, when your trying to discuss FA.  Its just that we know who is in the draft and have little or no clue as to who will be a target for FA.</p>
<p>Clusterfox</p>
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		<title>By: RIP</title>
		<link>http://roarofthelions.com/2010/01/12/wanted-lions-free-agents/#comment-301</link>
		<dc:creator>RIP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point from KCLionFan.

That maybe one reason they rated Pettigrew higher than the DT Jerry in the draft. Last year there were very little DTs with size and talent. The Leos took that chance with Hill because he did fit the profile of what they were looking for.

That being said, it would not surprise me if they draft different than expect with our first pick this year. They may take S Berry, depending on how they rated White&#039;s developement, or that CB from Florida, before with 300 pound under tackles. They also go with that DE from Georgia Tech. Remember the Leos play there DEs wide so they need those 330 pound plus DTs in the middle.

Want was interesting about last years draft is that the Leos may have taken RB Beanie Wells instead of Delmus if he were still available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point from KCLionFan.</p>
<p>That maybe one reason they rated Pettigrew higher than the DT Jerry in the draft. Last year there were very little DTs with size and talent. The Leos took that chance with Hill because he did fit the profile of what they were looking for.</p>
<p>That being said, it would not surprise me if they draft different than expect with our first pick this year. They may take S Berry, depending on how they rated White&#8217;s developement, or that CB from Florida, before with 300 pound under tackles. They also go with that DE from Georgia Tech. Remember the Leos play there DEs wide so they need those 330 pound plus DTs in the middle.</p>
<p>Want was interesting about last years draft is that the Leos may have taken RB Beanie Wells instead of Delmus if he were still available.</p>
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		<title>By: Isphet</title>
		<link>http://roarofthelions.com/2010/01/12/wanted-lions-free-agents/#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator>Isphet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point about Rey Maualuga. Check out the stat lines:

Rey M. 64 tackles, 3 Forced Fumbles, 1 sack, 2 passes defensed.

Deandre Levy 85 tackles(!), 1 forced fumble, 0 sacks, 5 passes defensed(!)

Those stats are pretty similar. A lot of Lions fans were shouting for Rey M. in the first round, but the Lions basically got a comparable package in the third round.

In the past, Millen would have taken Rey with the 20th pick. We would have probably been happy with him as a lion. But the Lions would have taken a rather severe &quot;overall value&quot; differential. They got second round talent in the third round, instead of in the first round, for a change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point about Rey Maualuga. Check out the stat lines:</p>
<p>Rey M. 64 tackles, 3 Forced Fumbles, 1 sack, 2 passes defensed.</p>
<p>Deandre Levy 85 tackles(!), 1 forced fumble, 0 sacks, 5 passes defensed(!)</p>
<p>Those stats are pretty similar. A lot of Lions fans were shouting for Rey M. in the first round, but the Lions basically got a comparable package in the third round.</p>
<p>In the past, Millen would have taken Rey with the 20th pick. We would have probably been happy with him as a lion. But the Lions would have taken a rather severe &#8220;overall value&#8221; differential. They got second round talent in the third round, instead of in the first round, for a change.</p>
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		<title>By: J Ellet Lambie</title>
		<link>http://roarofthelions.com/2010/01/12/wanted-lions-free-agents/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator>J Ellet Lambie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the detailed breakdown. Great work as always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the detailed breakdown. Great work as always.</p>
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		<title>By: Clusterfox</title>
		<link>http://roarofthelions.com/2010/01/12/wanted-lions-free-agents/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator>Clusterfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Point KC.

Another factor that bears mentioning is the immeasurables.  We all saw it in action before our eyes last draft with the LB situation.  Not only did we pass on Maualuga were we hoped we would get him, we passed on him much deeper than anyone thought he could be had.  There are definately character traits and intelligence factors that the new regime looks for and I for one am happy with the outcome so far.  Stafford, Petigrew, Delmas are all very cognitive players and I think that will create the long term success they are looking for.  

I also believe this is a common feeling in the league that few outside the league truly consider,  but Its one of the biggest causes of &quot;Busts&quot;.  Look at all the freakish talent that hits the league.  Jamarcus Russell, Vernon Gholston, Vick.  Some of them eventually &quot;get it&quot;(Vernon Davis) but alot just go up in smoke.(Charles Rogers)(Mike Williams)

I guess What I&#039;m saying is one of the key factors that decide whether we will pull the trigger on acguiring a player via FA or draft has more to do with the traits that we layman will never be able to judge.

Clusterfox</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Point KC.</p>
<p>Another factor that bears mentioning is the immeasurables.  We all saw it in action before our eyes last draft with the LB situation.  Not only did we pass on Maualuga were we hoped we would get him, we passed on him much deeper than anyone thought he could be had.  There are definately character traits and intelligence factors that the new regime looks for and I for one am happy with the outcome so far.  Stafford, Petigrew, Delmas are all very cognitive players and I think that will create the long term success they are looking for.  </p>
<p>I also believe this is a common feeling in the league that few outside the league truly consider,  but Its one of the biggest causes of &#8220;Busts&#8221;.  Look at all the freakish talent that hits the league.  Jamarcus Russell, Vernon Gholston, Vick.  Some of them eventually &#8220;get it&#8221;(Vernon Davis) but alot just go up in smoke.(Charles Rogers)(Mike Williams)</p>
<p>I guess What I&#8217;m saying is one of the key factors that decide whether we will pull the trigger on acguiring a player via FA or draft has more to do with the traits that we layman will never be able to judge.</p>
<p>Clusterfox</p>
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		<title>By: KCLionFan</title>
		<link>http://roarofthelions.com/2010/01/12/wanted-lions-free-agents/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator>KCLionFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few years ago, I read a great article about the Detroit Red Wings in &quot;USA Today&quot;, detailing their approach to building and maintaining a championship caliber team. I think the key points bear repeating, as they apply to any major sports team:

- Have a solid idea of the prototype player for EVERY position on your roster
- Build a deep pipeline and strong farm system
- Find players that match your prototypes

For example, the Red Wings know exactly wha tthey want in their 1st line Center, as well as their 3rd Line RW. They know how many &quot;stay at home&quot; Defense they want, and the profile of each line.

As you look at their history, you can see the successsion plan: Zetterburg is the next gen Yzerman, 1st line Center.  Datsyuk is the next gen Federov; Rafalski is the next gen Konstantinov, and so on..

As the Lions build, I hope they have a profile for each and every position, and a plan to get that sort of player.

With every position on the team, you MUST look at upside and potential. I would much rather have young players with potential ina  spot than an aging vet that will never get to the &quot;we can win with this guy&quot; level. I would jettison every player that has plateaued AND is not in the upper half of the league in talent,and replace them with young players with upside, even if the younger player is not at the talent level of the vet.

For example:  Jon Jansen -- jettison -- aging, not int he upper half, replace him with young, raw talent.  Jason Hansen, keep -- older, ut in the top half of talent in his position. Culpepper -- jettison, replace with young kid with upside. Anthony Henry -- jettison -- replace with youth.

For all intents and purposes, we are an EXPANSION TEAM. Make no mistake where we are.  Be that expansion team that builds with youth, not &quot;wily vets&quot;...Build your team the &quot;red Wing&quot; way. Know what you want, and go get it....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago, I read a great article about the Detroit Red Wings in &#8220;USA Today&#8221;, detailing their approach to building and maintaining a championship caliber team. I think the key points bear repeating, as they apply to any major sports team:</p>
<p>- Have a solid idea of the prototype player for EVERY position on your roster<br />
- Build a deep pipeline and strong farm system<br />
- Find players that match your prototypes</p>
<p>For example, the Red Wings know exactly wha tthey want in their 1st line Center, as well as their 3rd Line RW. They know how many &#8220;stay at home&#8221; Defense they want, and the profile of each line.</p>
<p>As you look at their history, you can see the successsion plan: Zetterburg is the next gen Yzerman, 1st line Center.  Datsyuk is the next gen Federov; Rafalski is the next gen Konstantinov, and so on..</p>
<p>As the Lions build, I hope they have a profile for each and every position, and a plan to get that sort of player.</p>
<p>With every position on the team, you MUST look at upside and potential. I would much rather have young players with potential ina  spot than an aging vet that will never get to the &#8220;we can win with this guy&#8221; level. I would jettison every player that has plateaued AND is not in the upper half of the league in talent,and replace them with young players with upside, even if the younger player is not at the talent level of the vet.</p>
<p>For example:  Jon Jansen &#8212; jettison &#8212; aging, not int he upper half, replace him with young, raw talent.  Jason Hansen, keep &#8212; older, ut in the top half of talent in his position. Culpepper &#8212; jettison, replace with young kid with upside. Anthony Henry &#8212; jettison &#8212; replace with youth.</p>
<p>For all intents and purposes, we are an EXPANSION TEAM. Make no mistake where we are.  Be that expansion team that builds with youth, not &#8220;wily vets&#8221;&#8230;Build your team the &#8220;red Wing&#8221; way. Know what you want, and go get it&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Isphet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isphet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, it took me a little bit to understand exactly what a restricted free agent is. Now I get it.

When a rookie comes into the league as a draft pick, they get paid based upon where they get selected. Let&#039;s say purely for examples sake, that all third round selections make 1 million dollars a year.

To protect a restricted free agent, a team gives them a contract offer based upon that level of pay/protection. So the team offers their own restricted free agent, named &quot;player X&quot; 1 million dollars a year for a contract.

If another team wants &quot;player X&quot;, they can offer that player a contract. Then, if player X leaves his original team,the acquiring team has to give a draft pick roughly equivalent to player X&#039;s contract level to the team they took player X from.

It would be an interesting exercise to go through each player and try to guess what level of contract they are being offered by the Lions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, it took me a little bit to understand exactly what a restricted free agent is. Now I get it.</p>
<p>When a rookie comes into the league as a draft pick, they get paid based upon where they get selected. Let&#8217;s say purely for examples sake, that all third round selections make 1 million dollars a year.</p>
<p>To protect a restricted free agent, a team gives them a contract offer based upon that level of pay/protection. So the team offers their own restricted free agent, named &#8220;player X&#8221; 1 million dollars a year for a contract.</p>
<p>If another team wants &#8220;player X&#8221;, they can offer that player a contract. Then, if player X leaves his original team,the acquiring team has to give a draft pick roughly equivalent to player X&#8217;s contract level to the team they took player X from.</p>
<p>It would be an interesting exercise to go through each player and try to guess what level of contract they are being offered by the Lions.</p>
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		<title>By: CHIEFGER139</title>
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		<dc:creator>CHIEFGER139</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked james too, sure he got burned but he also got interceptions, I actually thought he was our 2nd best guy back there behind delmos, all the rest can go as far as Im concerned and hope we get some good young cb&#039;s in the draft agree on hunter too,always liked fitz simmons and I picked him to make the squad but I think they brought him back after they cut him last year.Culpeper may be who they do keep after watching stanton play a game but id make it a battle between them if they keep both to begin with</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked james too, sure he got burned but he also got interceptions, I actually thought he was our 2nd best guy back there behind delmos, all the rest can go as far as Im concerned and hope we get some good young cb&#8217;s in the draft agree on hunter too,always liked fitz simmons and I picked him to make the squad but I think they brought him back after they cut him last year.Culpeper may be who they do keep after watching stanton play a game but id make it a battle between them if they keep both to begin with</p>
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